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Post by Thistle on Mon 05 Nov 2012, 4:22 pm






The Medical Officer of Health has used his annual report to highlight failings across a number of States departments to
ensure "health equity" in our Bailiwick.

Doctor Stephen Bridgman says poverty is the largest preventable cause of
ill health worldwide and he is concerned about it's impact locally.

He says poverty is threatening the health of thousands of islanders.

Less well off islanders are more likely to suffer from poor physical and
mental health.
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Post by kingcolemk on Mon 05 Nov 2012, 5:00 pm

Suggest some people need to look up the meaning of the word poverty. Or better still go to Africa or Asia and see what it really is. There is nothing remotely resembling it anywhere in Guernsey. Hardship maybe, but not poverty. Too many people in the West use the word for emotional effect.

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Post by Thistle on Mon 05 Nov 2012, 5:23 pm

kingcole,there are people in guernsey who have to think twice about going to a doctor as cost is getting out of hand..each visit now costs over 40 a blood test at my surgery costs 23 on top of that..a smear test 75 so yes there is health poverty in guernsey.
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Post by kingcolemk on Mon 05 Nov 2012, 8:55 pm

You think that's poverty. How would you like to have to go down to a dump on a street corner and squat down in full view to go to the toilet ? Yes there is a stinking rubbish dump on most corners.

Apart from small areas in the larger town centres, there is no electricty, gas or water in any of the homes, which are shanty built from scraps of timber and tin.

Roads are just earth tracks with no drainage. If it rains you get stuck in the mud.

As for doctors, what doctors ? In Tema ( which is where I am describing ) if you are ill you need to travel to Accra 40 miles away to see the doctors at the Mission clinic.

Life here is from 6AM to 6PM every day of the year, for the rest of the day it is pitch black unless there is a bit of moon.

What you are describing is hardship, not poverty.

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Post by Thistle on Mon 05 Nov 2012, 10:45 pm

who is to blame for a lot of the world poverty ..greedy politicians ..india an example is a very rich country who have in fact asked uk parliament not to send them aid but because of an agreement uk must send it.why are the rich so rich and what has happened to all the aid sent to various countries.. there is real hardship and yes poverty in guernsey..there are people living on a day to day basis.there are people who live on the streets..there are people in guernsey who once they have paid rent and utitlities have very little to live on..even some states houses are costing over 200 a week to rent and believe me not everybody in guernsey is wealthy
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Post by kat on Tue 06 Nov 2012, 8:26 am

I agree with thistle ,there is poverty here , but nothing like in other places
i give thanks that i was born here ,
there are still a few folks living on our streets . some in the plantations by north beach for a start
many older folks will not go to docs because of the costs and many of us middle earners are the worse off as we do not get benifits but earn just over the limit by a pound or two .
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Post by kingcolemk on Tue 06 Nov 2012, 10:15 am

Oh I give up. I am never going to get you people to understand the difference between poverty and hardship.

You are quite right Thistle in saying politicians bear a great responsiblity for poverty in the World, but we are discussing the actualy meaning of the word poverty. I wish I was rich, then I could take you down to Tema and really open your eyes.

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Post by kat on Tue 06 Nov 2012, 11:01 am

i do know what you mean Kingcolemk as i have seen this poverty . and yes i think it is hardship .but for those who suffer it is poverty to them
When i see the work that our local girl does in these countries it makes me so glad i live here and compared to that we are rich.
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Post by Thistle on Tue 06 Nov 2012, 8:56 pm

i know what you mean by poverty kingcole
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Post by Thistle on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 8:12 am

Islanders have been asking for help when it comes to paying for medical bills.

The Citizens Advice Bureau receives the highest amount of calls about
money problems - with many of those people worried about their health.

It comes after the annual health report highlighted around 10 thousand
people are living in poverty in Guernsey.
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Post by kingcolemk on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 9:38 am

Thistle you are winding me up !

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Post by Thistle on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 7:55 pm

sorry if you think that kingcole but health poverty in guernsey is real and it is happening today
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Post by kingcolemk on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 8:01 pm

IT IS NOT POVERTY !!!!!!!!!

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Post by Thistle on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 8:05 pm

it is when you cant afford to go to the doctor ..of course in the uk everything is free and so you wouldnt know what it is like to be unable to find the money to go to the doctor
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Post by kingcolemk on Thu 08 Nov 2012, 9:44 pm

Please can't you accept that poverty cannot exist in a welfare state, where help of some sort is always available to everyone. If they choose to squander that help on non-essentials rather than making provision for their care, then more fool them.

You moan about the cost of your health care, but it is subsidised by the States and I am sure that no one gets turned away when in real need.

I will keep repeating again and again and again, poverty is when you have nothing and no hope.

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Post by Thistle on Fri 09 Nov 2012, 7:58 am

this shows how little you know kingcole..we are talking about in a lot of cases people on low incomes and pensioners not people on benefits..i think twice about spending over 40 to see a doctor..in fact i have refused a smear test as i have other things to spend the 75 on..i dont smoke and drink very seldomly and when i do its from what i aready have in the house so not wasting my money ..the 40 is what we as a patient pays and on top of that the states pay the doctor anther 12 ..people on full supp benefit dont pay for doctors etc but if like me you get a top up and have managed to save a little over the years you get no help..doctors take people to court for non payment of bills so as you see it is just a business to them and they really dont give a stuff about people having financial difficulties .
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Post by kingcolemk on Fri 09 Nov 2012, 8:16 am

I'm not getting through to you am I ? You may certainly be finding things difficult, but you are nowhere near to being in poverty.

I wish I could take you to Tema.

Poverty is an emotive word mis-used by the media and politicians for dramatc effect.

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Post by Thistle on Fri 09 Nov 2012, 5:32 pm

i understand perfectly well what poverty is kingcole..sadly there are pensioners on this island who are gonna have to choose this winter whether to heat or eat.i used me as an example as you seem to think that everybody gets loads of help well sadly they dont..i do know that in the third world
they are facing real poverty every day but that is down to the governments,no education etc etc.
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