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Post by GD on Wed 24 Sep 2008, 8:02 pm

An air pollution expert from the UK says Jersey's Government is putting islander's health at risk, by allowing a new incinerator to be built.

Dr Dick Van-Steenis says people here are already more likely to get certain types of cancer and suffer from depression.

He blames that on pollution from the existing site at Bellozanne. He also claims that the planned new incinerator will be no better and could even be worse than the current one.

Transport & Technical services dispute the view and say they that they are pressing ahead with the plans.
(from CIonline)

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Post by GD on Thu 25 Sep 2008, 12:53 pm

Although the Solicitor General has ruled there can't be a public inquiry into the new incinerator - the Planning minister says it's not too late for islanders to have their say.

Senator Freddie Cohen has agreed in principle that the new incinerator should go at La Collette.

But the final details - such as the design and size - have not been discussed yet. That will happen over the next few months (from channelonline)

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Post by GD on Fri 26 Sep 2008, 9:46 am

Final plans for a new Energy from Waste (EfW) incinerator at La Collette in Jersey have been unveiled.

Outline planning permission was granted last May, but details about the building's appearance and landscaping around it have now been confirmed.

The plant, designed by Hopkins Architects Limited, will be enclosed in a box design with an exposed roof structure.

The proposals will now be considered by Planning Minister Freddie Cohen.

The States said two public meetings would be held in October to give islanders the opportunity to find out more and comment on the proposals.

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These will be held in St Helier on Thursday 9 October at 1900 BST at St Paul's Centre and on Sunday 12 October at 1400 BST at the Ommaroo Hotel.

Will Gardiner, the States director of waste strategy, told BBC News glass would be used at either end of the plant.

"This will reduce the bulk to the viewer and also enables us to see inside the building to the way the process plant works," he said.

The proposed £75m plant is due to replace the Bellozanne incinerator.

It is expected to improve air quality, generate electricity for about 8,000 homes and have an active life of up to 30 years.

John Richardson from Transport and Technical Services said the new EfW plant would adhere to the very latest technical and environmental standards, providing Jersey with a reliable waste disposal solution.

"We have also paid great attention to the external aspect of the building and site and used building and landscape architects of the highest calibre to achieve the best possible quality facility with the minimum impact on the landscape," he said. (from BBC news)

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Post by Pegasus on Fri 26 Sep 2008, 12:49 pm

Well maybe with "New" blood being elected the States might try to sort this out, but on reflection maybe not, the "New" boys will soon be brow-beaten under the regime

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Post by GD on Fri 26 Sep 2008, 3:50 pm

A new Energy from Waste incinerator in Jersey could cost more if plans are not given final approval by the end of October, a deputy has warned.

The French firm given the £106m building contract agreed to fix the price until the end of October.

But Deputy Guy De Faye has warned that any delay could force up the cost of the incinerator.

The plant at La Collette will replace the Bellozanne plant and will generate electricity for about 8,000 homes.

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Mr De Faye's warning came amid concerns about the affects on islanders' health, including breast cancer, from the incinerator's emissions.

But the island's medical officer of health has written to States members claiming the La Collette plant will have an overall positive effect on health in Jersey.

The note says the new plant will be more efficient, producing much lower emissions, than the current incinerator at Bellozanne (from BBC News)

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Post by GD on Tue 30 Sep 2008, 2:17 pm

A new incinerator at La Collette may not be the best way to dispose of Jersey's rubbish, St Helier's constable has said.

Simon Crowcroft said the planned rubbish plant was too big and would cost too much.

He told BBC News the States should consider other methods of recycling waste, for example anaerobic treatment.

The proposed plant is due to replace the Bellozanne incinerator and generate electricity for about 8,000 homes.

Constable Crowcroft said: "We have to recognise that some kind of disposal treatment may not involve burning.

"It may involve some kind of anaerobic treatment, which is certainly more modern and produces less of a carbon footprint.

"I think what many islanders are concerned about is the sheer size and scale and cost of the one the States has approved."

Anaerobic treatment involves digesting waste, instead of burning it, to produce a methane-rich biogas.

Final plans for a new Energy from Waste (EfW) incinerator at La Collette in Jersey were unveiled recently.

It will cost £75m, is expected to improve air quality and have an active life of up to 30 years.

The proposals will now be considered by Planning Minister Freddie Cohen. (from BBC news)


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Post by GD on Fri 10 Oct 2008, 9:30 am

Islanders are being given the chance to find out more about plans for Jersey's new incinerator.

A public meeting about the La Collette incinerator is being held at St Paul's Centre in St Helier.

The meeting will give islanders the chance to hear more about the design for the incinerator, which will replace the current plant at Bellozanne.

Outline planning permission was granted in May last year for the £75m energy-from-waste facility.

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There has been some concern about the potential health impact of the incinerator.

Politicians and officers from Transport and Technical Services, Jim Greaves from Hopkins Architects and Robert Townshend of Townshend Landscape Architects will be there to answer questions.

Thursday's meeting, from 1900 BST until 2100 BST, is the first of two.

The second is on Sunday at the Ommaroo Hotel in Havre des Pas.

The plant would replace the ageing Bellozanne incinerator, which was due to have been taken out of service this year.

The new incinerator is expected to improve air quality, generate electricity for about 8,000 homes and last for 30 years.

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Post by st_ouennais on Fri 10 Oct 2008, 1:39 pm

Note the meeting at the Ommaroo is 14:00 on Sunday.

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Post by GD on Fri 24 Oct 2008, 2:02 pm

Jersey's new multi-million pound incinerator will be built at La Collette.

Although many people have objected, Planning Minister Senator Freddie Cohen has officially approved the scheme. He says to have delayed any longer would have cost the island millions of pounds.

But, he says he's going to be tough on the detail. He's insisted it's designed by one of Britain's top architects: Sir Michael Hopkins.

Transport and Technical Minister Deputy Guy de Faye has welcomed the news.(from Channeltv)

Sounds like a bad move to me...


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Post by st_ouennais on Fri 24 Oct 2008, 5:40 pm

GD wrote:Jersey's new multi-million pound incinerator will be built at La Collette.

Although many people have objected, Planning Minister Senator Freddie Cohen has officially approved the scheme. He says to have delayed any longer would have cost the island millions of pounds.

But, he says he's going to be tough on the detail. He's insisted it's designed by one of Britain's top architects: Sir Michael Hopkins.

Transport and Technical Minister Deputy Guy de Faye has welcomed the news.(from Channeltv)

Sounds like a bad move to me...

There is an awful lot more to this incinerator plan than is apparent. And lots of people are more than a little annoyed. Questions were raised at the senatorial hustings recently. Like why are we building a £106 milion incinerator that can deal with the refuse of 130,000 people when our population is 90,000? And why do we have a recycling target of just 36%? And then there is the siting - why has it moved to La Collette - right next to a RAMSAR site, and the fuels storage site (Buncefield , anyone).

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Post by Simple Me on Fri 24 Oct 2008, 7:42 pm

Its another ugly expensive blot on Jersey, Our States have no idea or never will about recycling

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Post by matt74 on Sat 13 Dec 2008, 8:36 pm

How and why did we pass, and spend, so much on an oversized, outdated form of waste disposal??
It beggars belief that in this day and age we go for something outdated and oversized. And I bet the exact same incinerator would have been sold for less money to a less well off district. Jersey's been led down the garden path and hoodwinked again.

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Post by Simple Me on Mon 15 Dec 2008, 10:38 pm

[quote=\"matt74\"]How and why did we pass, and spend, so much on an oversized, outdated form of waste disposal??
It beggars belief that in this day and age we go for something outdated and oversized. And I bet the exact same incinerator would have been sold for less money to a less well off district. Jersey\'s been led down the garden path and hoodwinked again.[/quote]

Because our dear states members have money to waste... our money..

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Post by matt74 on Tue 16 Dec 2008, 10:24 pm

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Jersey does a deal with Guernsey saying "hey, we'll solve all your rubbish problems, for an agreed charge."
This is probably why the whole thing has been passed.

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Post by GD on Fri 19 Dec 2008, 5:51 pm

Ramsar man joins incinerator attack









THE £106 million incinerator was railroaded through and not enough consideration has been given to the effects it might have on the Ramsar site, says an Island environmentalist.
Unsuccessful Senatorial candidate and Ramsar steering committee member Chris Perkins has said that some politicians have been thoughtless and insensitive about the potential environmental impact an incinerator would have on the protected south-east coast.
His comments follow Save Our Shoreline spokesman Dave Cabeldu’s report into the Babtie Fitchner incinerator planned for La Collette. Mr Cabeldu, who is also on the steering group that fought to get the area from the Harbour to Gorey protected, claims that the States have breached the Ramsar Convention because they did not tell the organisation of their plans to build an incinerator next to the site.
He said that Jersey was also currently featuring on the website page of Wetlands International, a member of the Ramsar Convention, as ‘this month’s threatened wetland’ because of the incinerator.
Mr Perkins said: ‘I have seen Save Our Shoreline’s excellent report on the incinerator and its possible effects on our Ramsar site. It is if nothing else rather embarrassing for Jersey.’
Pictured: La Collette with an impression of the new incinerator to the right of the tower(from thisisjersey)


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Post by GD on Wed 31 Dec 2008, 9:35 pm

THE falling euro rate could add millions to the cost of the Island’s new incinerator because the contract rate has not been fixed.
The original £104 million deal for the new incinerator at La Collette included 75 million euros for European contractors. But the declining sterling/euro rate means that the cost could rise by millions – and the head of the States’ spending watchdog has estimated the damage at around £10 million.
It does not necessarily mean that the final bill to the taxpayer will increase, because the payments are staggered over three years, and what matters is the rate at the time when the payments are made. States Treasurer Ian Black said that the expert advice obtained by his department was to wait for the rate to improve, rather than fixing it when the contracts were signed in mid-November.
However, Public Accounts Committee chairman Ben Shenton – an investment manager – said that Islanders were probably looking at an additional £10 million bill based on the drop in the sterling/euro rate since the contracts were signed (from thisisjersey)

But lets face its very rare a states project comes within budget,,


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Post by GD on Mon 19 Jan 2009, 6:45 pm


MINISTERS will face a barrage of hostile questions in the States tomorrow as concerns deepen over the cost, size and environmental impact of the proposed incinerator at La Collette.
The charge will be led by new Deputies Daniel Wimberley and Mike Higgins. They have today released a picture which they argue shows the size of the energy-from-waste plant and how it will affect the St Helier skyline.
‘The world is changing, people’s expectations are changing, ways of doing things are changing,’ said Deputy Wimberley. ‘We are fearful that the incinerator is over-sized, it is out of step with public opinion and it is a waste of public money.’
Deputy Higgins said: ‘It is more than likely that the plant will have a serious cost overrun. The failure to hedge the contract against adverse currency movements could easily cost the Island an additional £10 million. I want to know what financial advice was given, who gave it and whether it was followed.’
• A picture of the proposed energy-from-waste plant, released by backbenchers led by Deputies Daniel Wimberley and Mike Higgins showing, what they argue, is its true impact on the St Helier skyline


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Post by Simple Me on Mon 19 Jan 2009, 10:22 pm

I think it looks well matching in with all the other crap building that has been allowed on the coastal seafront

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Post by GD on Thu 22 Jan 2009, 9:11 pm

Jersey doesn't need a new incinerator and the plans States members have already accepted need rethinking.

That's the view of a group of politicians who are calling for the plans to be scrapped.

One of Guy de Faye's last acts as Transport and Technical Services Minister was signing the contract for a new waste incinerator to replace the existing facility at Bellozanne back in November.

The deal was worth more than a £100 million and will see the new incinerator come on line in 2011.

The new incinerator will burn people's money as well as their rubbish, according to a collection of States members calling themselves, a bit misleadingly, the Incinerator Gang.

They asked Ministers a series of questions about the La Collette plan but weren't convinced by the answers.

Daniel Wimberley, told channelonline.tv; "I think they believe in magic boxes and one size fits all, one great big box will solve the island's problems"

The problem the Incinerator Gang faces is that however expensive - and unpopular in some quarters - they may be, these plans have already been signed off.

But even despite that, the group feels there's enough wrong with the proposals to merit keeping the debate open just a bit longer.

The Transport Minister doesn't share their view. And he stands by Guy de Faye's belief the new incinerator is just what Jersey needs.

Mike Jackson, Transport & Technical Services Minister, told channelonline.tv; "I have got enormous amounts of information and I've been reading up over the past month or so, in depth details of the contract and I'm perfectly satisfied they're in order and they're going to provide value for the public."

The Incinerator Gang is considerably less satisfied.

Deputy Wimberley says the group may bring a proposition opposing the plans.

It's thought the cost of cancelling the La Collette contract could be as much as £50 million.

The deal may be signed and sealed, but Jersey may also be some way from seeing it delivered (from thisisjersey)

Are they right?


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A STATES department has spent over £4.4 million paying consultants since the start of ministerial government, according to a group of politicians trying to stop the new incinerator being built.
And the spokesman for the Stop the Incinerator Now Group, Deputy Trevor Pitman, said that the Transport and Technical Services Department might as well be burning taxpayers’ cash in the new incinerator the way it has spent on external consultancy fees.
The Deputy, a member of the STING group of four politicians, was ‘horrified’ when he eventually obtained figures from the new Transport Minister Mike Jackson for work done by consultants on the solid waste strategy.
He said that STING now wanted an inquiry to find out exactly what the huge sums had been spent on.
Deputy Pitman added that he had to push for the numbers to be publicly released after an initial request by Deputy Daniel Wimberley had been ‘overlooked’.(thisijersey)

Wow thats some consultancy cost, but typical States expense


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Post by karma on Sat 14 Feb 2009, 10:34 am

I shouldn't think Guernsey is very far behind......we will never know the true amount 'wasted'......
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Post by boatyboy on Tue 09 Feb 2010, 12:23 pm

Guernsey beware, this is the report by the public scrutiny panel from Jersey. How tight are your controls before embarking on a £90 million project. Hopefully better than Jersey.

The public accounts panel have this morning published their report. You can read it yourself here ( from a while ago )

http://www.scrutiny.gov.je/view_doc.asp?doc=documents/reports/S-31053-37785-
1082009.pdf&panelid=0&reviewid=0&target=reports

Neither the Treasurer of the States, nor the Chief Minister, comes out of it well.

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