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Post by technophobe on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 2:06 pm

That would be about right bearing in mind it's coming out of Pete Burtenshaw's mouth.

He is unwilling to listen to anyone apart from himself, whether it's incineration, drugs. the finance industry, whatever. Hence he wasn't voted in at the deputies' election and had to stand for the douzaine, against a rabbit from L'Ancresse common and a sheep from the L'Eree aerodrome.

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Post by Fast Robert on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 2:40 pm

G-CAN (and I can't speak for them) would probably not support incineration if there were time to propose a non-burn option. The micro units would be as a stop gap until the etch comes online. The whole point is that they can be bought, set up and decommissioned with ease, as opposed to buying a 25 year contract of a beast that will require decontaminating and a completely uncosted environmental exercise.

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Post by kat on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 3:39 pm

all has been lost .the states have voted yes for the incinerator

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Post by Spirit on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 4:02 pm

That will be the end of the new schools plan then.

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Post by karma on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 4:45 pm

I trust memories are long enough to know who NOT to vote in at the next electioin!!!!

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Post by Pete Burtenshaw on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 5:59 pm

technophobe wrote:That would be about right bearing in mind it's coming out of Pete Burtenshaw's mouth.

He is unwilling to listen to anyone apart from himself, whether it's incineration, drugs. the finance industry, whatever. Hence he wasn't voted in at the deputies' election and had to stand for the douzaine, against a rabbit from L'Ancresse common and a sheep from the L'Eree aerodrome.



Technophobe, I did not stand against a rabbit from L'Ancresse common or a sheep from L'Eree because they are not residents of St PP. Now, if both of these animals had been residents of St PP then they would have been worthy opponents and may have tipped the balance. However, I was elected to the amazing public office of Douzenier along with 5 equally respected fellow candidates. I was dually elected in what was a democratic election and it was one of the proudest moments of my life. May I suggest that instead of slandering those of us who do make the effort to represent the public (on a voluntary basis) and try and make a difference you also stand for public office. I enjoyed the experience of standing in the 08 gen election and of course I was not successful but that is the way life is. At least I can say I tried and you or any other person can take this away from me. But once again I say too you, why not stand in 2012 yourself. I think you will see people like me in a differant light and what motivates people like me to try and make a differance, not just for me and my family but for other people. I care so much about Gsy and yes sometimes I am so worng in my assumptions and I may make a stand which may not be populer but for every insult I receive I receive 10 compliments and then you know you are on the right path.

Just because I make a stand does not make me a bad person. I enjoy helping others because there have been times in my life I have needed support and help and I have recieved this. If you are local then you wil lsee Gsy is changing and not for the better. You may be one of those Guerns who hate people like me because I have the guts to defend my home, well that is your problem. If you are not local then welcome to Guernsey, do l lyou can to fit in and repsect our island and its people and you will love the place.

if any time you would like to address any of the issues you have raised about me then please feel free and give me a call, my number is in the book.


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Post by Thistle on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 6:38 pm

technophobe personal attacks against other members will not be tolerated.
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Post by GD on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 8:03 pm

technophobe wrote:That would be about right bearing in mind it's coming out of Pete Burtenshaw's mouth.

He is unwilling to listen to anyone apart from himself, whether it's incineration, drugs. the finance industry, whatever. Hence he wasn't voted in at the deputies' election and had to stand for the douzaine, against a rabbit from L'Ancresse common and a sheep from the L'Eree aerodrome.

Technophobe.... Please keep to the topic, and abstain from personal attacks.... Thank you


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Post by stan on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 11:13 pm

Pete - great post. Dignified as ever. And a great shame the fools in the House failed to take proper note of the feelings of the people despite your efforts which culminated in Sunday's turnout. Keep up the good work representing those of us who have the Island's interests at heart.

Thistle - good. They should not be.

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Post by kat on Thu 30 Jul 2009, 11:15 pm

well said Pete ...
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Post by Pete Burtenshaw on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 7:48 am


Stan, Kat, Thanks for your support. I really do value and appreciate your very nice comments.

This is a very very sad day for the health & finances of the island. However, I am not surprised by the outcome. On a positive side, I applaud those 12 Deputies who had the guts to stand up for those of us who opposed any form of incineration and the cost implications of this toxic beast. I was appalled by Hunter Adams disgraceful mockery of David De Lisles excellent speech. Hunter Adams, showed his utter contempt not only for his fellow politician but also for the health and well-being of the Bailiwicks population. A man of his past profession and standing and of course his current position, should at least acknowledge there are health issues. ‘Hang your head in shame HA’..Hang your head in shame'........

I would like those Deputies who voted for this mass poisoning burner to give a reassurance via the media addressing the following

1) There is categorically no risk to the population whatsoever from dioxins emissions from the process of mass incineration

2) That PSD/SUEZ have been open and honest with the true cost of the plant and there will not be any future 'surprises' with massive cost increases over the 25yr period and a public audit trail will be there for scrutiny.

3) That Guernsey will not under any circumstances import waste from other jurisdictions (Europe) to feed this 'BEAST'

4) That the 32 Deputies who voted for this mass poisoning burner & the Director Of Public Health give their reassurances that they will be held personally responsible for any health issues which may arise over the life of this mass poisoning burner

5) That Hunter Adams and the Director for Public Health give their personal reassurances that there are no dioxins emissions from both the Power Station and PEH and they will carry out emission control checks on these emissions.

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Post by Thistle on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 8:11 am

once again the states have not listened to the people who voted for them.yes we know something needs to be done re our rubbish but this plant is too big,possibly dangerous as far as emissions are concerned and far too expensive.well done pete for everything you tried to do.
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Post by karma on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 9:35 am

4) That the 32 Deputies who voted for this mass poisoning burner & the Director Of Public Health give their reassurances that they will be held personally responsible for any health issues which may arise over the life of this mass poisoning burner........


You know that this will never happen - being a politician gives you carte blanche to speak for people (so they will say that 59,500 wanted this thing because only 400+ marched against it....that will be their 'get out'!!!) If in the first place they had not allowed developers to tear down our buildings and erect monstrcities in their place we would not have filled up our landfill sites - so it goes on! the person who really shocked me (as I marched with him in 2004) is Scott Ogier - he told me not too many moons ago that if they put an incinerator in St Sampsons he would move his wife and family away from this parish - so now he has voted it in I would very much like to know (a) if he is staying in our parish and (b) what changed his mind after being so adamant!!! Oh and as an afterthought - why have they got all the facilities in place to have traffic lights at the entrace to the site, presuably in preparation!!!......I have reached that age where the more I find out - the less I know!!! It does however do me one favour, any qualms I had about relocating to Australia have been laid to rest now!!!

I add my name to the 'Thank You' for the hard work Pete.....
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Post by kingcolemk on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 9:40 am

There will come a time when you will all wonder how you ever managed without an Incinerator.

Even more so when the Cruet headland has been restored to it's natural state.

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Post by karma on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 9:46 am

IMO even more so when a lot of people become ill and we cannot afford our medical scheme because of it!! Mind you we are running short on tourist attractions!!!
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Post by technophobe on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:12 am

kingcolemk wrote:There will come a time when you will all wonder how you ever managed without an Incinerator.

Even more so when the Cruet headland has been restored to it's natural state.

The green contingent won't, the same nonsense about recycling will be trotted out, as if we're ever going to hit the targets that have been set. I recycle a lot of things (although I'm not totally convinced by the effectiveness of it) but I refuse to spend hours and hours seperating out every last bit of rubbish, and I believe that very few people would actually be prepared to do so.

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Post by The Gimp on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 3:41 pm

lets hope the energy from waste unit will help with the apparent sharp electricity rises.
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Post by kingcolemk on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 4:45 pm

karma wrote:IMO even more so when a lot of people become ill and we cannot afford our medical scheme because of it!! Mind you we are running short on tourist attractions!!!

There are many incinerators all over the UK but, you may be surprise to know, people are not dropping like flies all over the place.

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Post by Spirit on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 4:56 pm

UK health Research claim that they are, but I don't know how scientific their studies are.


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Post by karma on Fri 31 Jul 2009, 5:01 pm

They are usually a bit further away from residential areas!!!!
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Post by The Gimp on Mon 31 Aug 2009, 8:05 am

Can someone tell me why ( allegedly ) Dan Hubert of island waste and a wealthy scrap metal merchant paid for the deputies "jolly" proposed Incinerator trip.
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Re: Petition against the Incinerator plus march

Post by boatyboy on Thu 11 Feb 2010, 10:24 am

INCINERATOR opponents have threatened to use every legal process available to fight the planned energy-from-waste plant.

A consortium of ‘key local residents’ have committed to using their own resources to make a plea to the Royal Court to carry out a judicial review should Sita Guernsey, Suez Environnement’s local subsidiary, be granted planning permission for the plant

http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2010/02/10/money-not-to-burn/

Wow this is called putting your money where your mouth is. A fighting fund to stop this very large incinerator being built.

In Jersey Ex Constable of St. Helier was and is against Jerseys new incinerator saying, it is to big, far too expensive, and the wrong technology. Bob Le Brocq, is part of a committee that has done their homework and deep research into the subject.

If they haven't done so already, he is worth contacting by the Guernsey key local residents, who share similar concerns. He has a lot of information to offer.

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Post by boatyboy on Thu 04 Mar 2010, 2:18 am

Ok I live in Jersey, and I don't like football, but if I wore a hat I would take it off to the Guernsey people for speaking up and for the Guernsey States assembly ( the bright ones ) for listening to the voice of the people. I came upon this on the Jersey Evening Post blog and thought you may enjoy it.

Quote.

The fact that the SW prevailing winds tell us that the fallout from the micro toxic particles will fall steadily on the south east side the area of Havre des Pas area and beyond.

This information came from an elderly but extremely clever professor ( sorry name escapes me )who gave a talk at the St. Pauls centre about the unwelcome effects of incinerator waste. Ex TTS Minister Guy De Faye attended and was completely out of his depth. The message was clear; the discharge is toxic, although better than the old chimney, if that makes you happy.

The day after the vote was taken for the Incinerator, the JEP front page told us that Waterfront 2 was on the drawing board. Hundreds more houses more reclamation. This of course confirms the CoM true purpose which is to keep building and to overcrowd Jersey even more.

This is confirmed by their immigrtaion policy of attracting 250 more skilled people (plus families ) to live on this small island per annum.

As part of the grand scheme to increased everything, we need a grand iconic incinerator which is actually two incinerators as there are two streams so one can be shut down for maintenance. It follows we really don’t need Guernsey’s rubbish to keep the whole thing belching on our coastline. Where did the figure of £4 million regarding income come from ? and do you trust them ?

My personal view is, a new incinerator was needed but not this expensive monster. As the younger more environmentally aware children become of age so will less packaging as life will become greener and recycling will become cost effective as new technology takes us forward, lets guess at fifteen years, the mistake will be demolished.

End of Quote.

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Post by boatyboy on Thu 04 Mar 2010, 4:19 pm

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38 Davey West. You are indeed correct.Dr Dick Van Steenis warned the States that they were buying a Dinosaur,in technology terms this incinerator is out of date before it’s even built,and so is it better than the old Bellozanne one,yes in the same way as a modern Built house is better than a tent.But is it safe for all of us..? Emphatically no,this internationally known Doctor who specialise in diseases caused by burning toxins made it clear,why…Deadly PM 2.5 particles get through the filters and are breathed into the deeepest part of our lungs….those who wanted the incinerator have their own motives and claim that “Scrubbers” clean the emmissions…but it’s about size .

The smallest particles are the most deadly…and we have embarked on what will be a £200 Million spend..when we could have had a plasma gasifier which would have fitted in Bellozanne yard easily,it works by producing a large weld arc burn up to 2000 degrees c.and it produces 6xtimes more electricity which can burn anything including the tyre linings and without releasing all these toxins for us to breathe in …cost about 38 Mill.makes you wonder why it was rejected and this horror which will blight the landscape forever,was chosen…who benefited..and by the way,your health is at risk for three days from just one hours exposure if the wind blows the P.M. 2.5s your way….and yes for the smart asses I have all the documentation if you want it.

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/02/24/voteline-should-we-burn-guernseys-rubbish/

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Anti-incinerator action groups should be aware that Dr Dick van Steenis “saw off” WRG at the 2003 public inquiry for an incinerator at Hull. WRG, and others allegedly against WRG, seem reluctant to allow Dr van Steenis to speak at a public meeting in Norwich where WRG now propose to build an incinerator.

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Post by Digger on Fri 05 Mar 2010, 5:08 pm

RECYCLING companies are unhappy with the decision to throw out the
Suez incinerator.
Guernsey Recycling chairman Alan Crowe said deputies had made a rash
move without having an alternative plan in place.
‘I was a supporter of Suez because it was well costed and a
legitimate way of resolving the island’s waste problem.
‘They’ve now spent about £10m. and are no further forward,’ he said.
The Assembly last week voted for a waste minimisation strategy
instead.
‘If it’s not achievable, I don’t know what we will do with 30,000 to
40,000 tonnes of waste,’ said Mr Crowe (pictured).
He said Guernsey Recycling was Suez’s nominated partner for a
material recovery facility.

"Guernsey Recycling was Suez’s nominated partner for a
material recovery facility".

That might just be the reason.


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‘Untold damage’ if incinerator gets back in

Post by GD on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 12:03 pm





AN ATTEMPT to overturn the decision to scrap the incinerator could do ‘untold damage’ to the credibility of the States, according to one campaigner.
Public Services Department member Deputy Tony Spruce has tabled a motion calling for the £93.5m. Suez proposal to be voted on again. He said the vote in last month’s meeting, which saw the plans thrown out by a majority of just one, was undemocratic because members of the Environment Department abstained following legal advice.
However, Rupert Dorey (pictured) said he deplored the decision and thought it could damage Guernsey’s political reputation.
‘While the Suez proposal was just a commercial contract, the Spruce requete could undermine the whole basis of good government.’
In their meeting yesterday, the Policy Council decided the requete would be discussed at the March States meeting. If the States supported the motion it would mean the Suez proposals would go ahead as originally planned.
Mr Dorey is the spokesman for a consortium of ‘key local residents’ who committed to using their own money to fight the Suez proposals in the courts. He said they would carry on that campaign if the plans were reinstated.(from thisisguernsey)


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Post by plimmerton811 on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 4:51 pm

Lets just keep voting till everyone gets the decision they want!!!

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Post by GD on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 6:32 pm



Dear All



Deputy Tony Spruce Requete - Survey



Deputy Tony Spruce is putting forward a Requete that, if successful, will overturn last month's States decision (by one vote) to reject the Suez proposal; reinstating them as the preferred bidder.



However the Requete goes on to say Paragraph 9:



"Your Petitioners believe that it is in the interest of the States to revisit the question of whether the Suez option for the design, build and operation of a residual waste treatment facility as previously agreed, is the most appropriate solution for Guernsey as soon as practicable. And with a view to there being full participation of all Members of the States in reaching such an important decision"



Our reading of this is that not only will the Spruce Requete reinstate the preferred bidder it also seems to suggest that the States then go on to redebate the solution.





So what do you think? Please take our survey*



http://survey.submarine.gg/takeSurvey.asp?surveyID=110



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Post by Cassandra on Thu 18 Mar 2010, 1:11 am

i hope it's gone forever


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Post by boatyboy on Thu 18 Mar 2010, 3:31 pm

Is this what Guernsey wants ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kvsgCC5-g

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