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Post by GD on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 9:33 am

Guernsey's a step closer to introducing a general sales tax.

The Treasury and Resources Department are asking the States to approve an in-principle law at this month's meeting.

T & R Minister Deputy Charles Parkinson stresses there are no plans to introduce the tax at the moment. He says it would still take some time to implement. even if the projet is passed.

But it will happen, thats for sure...


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Post by Anomiso on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 11:12 am

Poor Guernsey!
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Post by karma on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 11:20 am

You've only got to go over the water to the other island, despite the self congratulatory noise the Jersey States make, to see what GST has done for them - and be frightened.....We once again lose something that made us 'different' from the English mainland - because our States sold us to the Banks....shame on them!!!
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Post by boatyboy on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 5:48 pm

GD said.

Guernsey's a step closer to introducing a general sales tax.

The Treasury and Resources Department are asking the States to approve an in-principle law at this month's meeting.

T & R Minister Deputy Charles Parkinson stresses there are no plans to introduce the tax at the moment. He says it would still take some time to implement. even if the projet is passed.

At this time this shows a poor no not poor, an incompetent Government. A good Government weighs up the needs of society with all its warts, and has a duty to be efficient and give the taxpayer value for money. Guernsey States members very recently paid a large amount of taxpayers money employing consultants to look at the administration of Guernsey. The results as published were appalling showing a public sector inefficient expensive and not fit for purpose, like much of Jerseys.

This should wave a red flag at your leaders and requires strong and joined up thinking by those elected to do what every household has to do when money gets tight. Surely this is part of the remit Chief executives have to follow, giving value for money, efficiency and flexibility for the good of the island. According to the recent report they have failed dismally. This is the first thing the Ministers and members should be addressing. Not coming to the people for more money as in Jersey.

Its not funny and its not a pleasant job to cut back on jobs and nice but not needed services, but nor is taxing old people and children's food, clothes and utility bills, as now happens in Jersey.

This has happend because the majority of weak cowardly politicians over here voted in GST.

The majority of Jersey (Guernsey) politicians have little backbone to stand up to the tradition of throwing money ( yours and mine) at problems, rather than seek efficiencies and savings in running the island, this has given Guernsey a leg up in the tourism market without a doubt, so far.

Guernsey's population should learn from the mistakes made over here and fight and scream. You have no idea how much more it will cost you, we did not and the middle earners and low earners have been hit the hardest. The very rich and those living on complete benefits escape the net so as to speak. Another place but the same problems have a look at Cameron's plan seems he is on the right track. It's called accountability.

RESPONSIBLE POLITICS..................................... recent speech by David Cameron

First, the age of austerity demands responsible politics.
Over the next few years, we will have to take some incredibly tough decisions on taxation, spending, borrowing – things that really affect people’s lives.

Getting through those difficult decisions will mean sticking together as a country – government and people.

Let me make it clear to everyone who works in the public sector: we will honour existing pay deals, including any three year pay deals.

But many of them end next year.

And this is the deal we’ll be offering you then:
We will help you by getting rid of the central direction and bureaucracy that undermines your professional autonomy and morale.

And in exchange we will ask for your help in solving Labour’s Debt Crisis by keeping the cost of public sector pay only as high as the country can responsibly afford.

A GOVERNMENT OF THRIFT


But cutting spending the country can do without is not going to deliver the scale of change we need.
Delivering more for less can’t just be about top-down cuts imposed by ministers.

We need a massive culture change at every level of government, to make the state careful, not casual, with public money.
Every pound of public spending has been earned on the shop floor, the factory floor, in the office.

It’s not government money, as Labour like to say.
It’s your money.

Where spending money is a good in itself, regardless of what it gets you.
Where Ministers brag about getting a bigger budget than the next guy.

Only in government do people automatically think that the way to get things done is to spend more money.

But this culture of thrift must apply to the civil service too.
So we’ll impose a new fiduciary responsibility on senior civil servants – a contractual obligation to save the taxpayer money.

And every government department needs a proper finance director.
Some of them today aren’t proper accountants – flint-faced or not.
With such huge sums of public money at stake a Conservative government will make sure we have the professional financial controls the taxpayer has a right to expect.

TRANSPARENCY


And in an age when we’re asking people to put up with tax rises and spending cuts to pay for Labour’s Debt Crisis

we can use technology to give people even more power – through transparency.
If a company is failing and new management comes in, transparency is the first thing they demand - opening up the books and seeing how every penny is spent.

It’s going to be the same with us.

So today I can announce our ‘People’s Right to Know’ plan – a democratic check on wasteful spending.
Every item of government spending over £25,000, nationally and locally, will have to be published online.

If you want to see how it could work, look at the Missouri Accountability Portal.

It will show you why transparency is such a powerful tool in controlling public spending.
And it can have an especially powerful effect when it comes to salaries.

Spending on public sector salaries has soared under Labour.
Where this has gone to nurses, doctors, teachers, police and other frontline stars, that is money well spent.

But it’s certainly not true of the wage bill for the swarm of unaccountable quangos that has infested our country under Labour.
In the age of austerity, where we’ll be asking frontline public sector workers to help us keep pay levels down we cannot leave the pay of public sector bureaucrats untouched.
People have a right to know exactly how much they’re getting.

So we’ll publish online all public sector salaries over £150,000.
Let’s see which officials have been getting rich at the taxpayer’s expense - and whether they’re worth the money.


Today we’re publishing a list of some we already know about.
Ed Richards at OfCom – he earns over £400,000 a year.

In fact, if you took the top thirty salaries at Ofcom, the communications watchdog, you could provide the whole of Cheltenham with free broadband access.

And then there’s the British Waterways Board.

The salaries of their top four employees – Robin Evans, Nigel Johnson, James Froomberg and Phillip Ridal – add up to £900,000.
That’s thirty nurses.

In the age of austerity we’ve got to ask ourselves what we really value in the public sector: and I know what the answer is.
It’s not the fat cats but the frontline workers.

]http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx

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Post by Fast Robert on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 7:48 pm

if those in equivalent levels in the private sector paid themselves a 'fair value' salary then maybe the public sector wouldn't have to compete so hard to attract the talent.

This is appeasement to the tabloids from Cameron. What we really need is transparency across the board. Publish all salaries, at all levels and in all sectors.

We can they see how much people are really worth and public pressure would facilitate some levelling out.

All Cameron's idea will do is make people hate the public sector even more. Which is indeed what he wants.
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Post by boatyboy on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 10:05 pm

Fair Comment Fast Robert, all public sector wages, in fact lets bring all public sector spending clearly into the open. Sunshine is a great disinfectant, ask the UK MP's.

On Jersey the health services staff carry over 600 credit cards to spend on equipment for the department. Mr Steve Izatt Chief executive from WEB ( Waterfront enterprise Board ) received £10,000 less than the president of America took home last year a mere £275,000 pounds........... thirty thousand being ( according to a question in the assembly) a bonus which was NOT performance linked. WeB is a Quango.

These should all be scrutanised and organised before asking the taxpayer for a single penny more. It did not happen just GST.

Can you see now why we the ordinary working person has to cough up more money. I have read the usefull Vue thread detailing the report costing £350,000 completely wasted of course if the politicians ignore it. Rather like going to a doctor who says long term treatment is required, and then ignoring him.

Guernsey still has the choice, serious housekeeping is needed and a good start would be for the Chief Minster to review the end of the final salary scheme for the public sector, which the private sector can no longer afford.

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Post by karma on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 10:09 pm

I agree with you on every point there BB - but who is going to make someone (namely the Chief Minister) act????
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Post by Simple Me on Mon 08 Jun 2009, 10:37 pm

Gst will be with you soon Donkeys, I am sure that your goverment have kept a close eye on how it is working here in JY

Its a quick way of making money.

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