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Post by Chok Dee Ja on Wed 18 Mar 2009, 3:27 pm

Thistle wrote:must be a while since you were in guernsey plimmerton or you know something we dont.the figure being quoted these days is about 65,000 people hanging on a rock .

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Post by karma on Wed 18 Mar 2009, 6:33 pm

Terrorists and would be terrorist must be laughing their socks off.....since 11/9 they have managed to terrorise every nation into making rules upon rules upon rules........so they haven't won?? go tell that to the marines.....we are no longer free to do what we want when we want (sometimes I think it is playing into every government's hands - every rule they bring out is in the name of terrorism or global warming)......

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Post by Zac on Thu 19 Mar 2009, 10:34 am

What price human rights, what price civil liberties, what right do "they" have to even consider taking our rights away? Governments and functionaries are SUPPOSED to be our servants - we are their paymasters, not that one would believe it! Tracking rapists and paedophiles and terrorists? What a complete load of tosh!

Subjugation of the masses - and what are our States members going to do about it? With a few exceptions, I expect they will simply roll over and swallow the bitter pill, in the belief that Big Brother and it's Civil Servants know best.

I am certain that there is far more behind the plans than we are being told - tax gathering and compulsory ID cards to mention just two. Illegal immigrants can move to the UK from Calais at a moments notice, apparently without hindrance, but we won't even be able to take a last minute trip when the mood takes us. Why on earth should law abiding citizens have to give an account of their movements?

At a starting price of £1,000,000 per annum even for little Guernsey, plus substantial additional carrier charges (it is proposed that all carriers will install passport readers and data terminals), this is a real little money earner for the jobs-worth Gestapo security industry which has been allowed to creep up on us like cancer!

Must nip to the shops – Oh blast! I have not filed my travel movement request. Now where did I put my Ausweis?

Don't forget that emails and internet postings are now monitored and stored by Big Brother too!

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Post by Chok Dee Ja on Thu 19 Mar 2009, 1:51 pm

Use this for encryption

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Post by plimmerton811 on Fri 20 Mar 2009, 8:50 am

Thistle wrote:must be a while since you were in guernsey plimmerton or you know something we dont.the figure being quoted these days is about 65,000 people hanging on a rock .

I stand corrected, I couldn't remember if it was 55 or 65K. What's 10k between friends and if they cram anymore on the rock we'll all get very friendly.

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Post by Thistle on Fri 20 Mar 2009, 8:52 am

so true plimmerton lol
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Post by Thistle on Fri 20 Mar 2009, 8:54 am

Zac wrote:

Don't forget that emails and internet postings are now monitored and stored by Big Brother too!

hope they like all my funny jokes peeps keep sending lol
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Re: States to track all your travel

Post by Dell on Sun 22 Mar 2009, 1:19 pm

From The Mail on Sunday today: -

Stasi HQ UK... where details of all your journeys are secretly logged and kept for a decade

By Jason Lewis
Last updated at 10:13 PM on 21st March 2009

This anonymous office building on a business park near Heathrow Airport is where the Government has begun monitoring millions of British holidaymakers using its controversial new 'terrorist detector' database.
The top-secret computer system - tied into the airlines' ticketing network - makes judgments about travel habits and passengers' friends and family to decide if they are a security risk.
Like something from a science-fiction film, the Home Office has designed it to spot a 'criminal' or terrorist before they have done anything wrong.



Snoop centre: The 'Status Park 4' building near Heathrow monitors travellers

The building's address is, some might say sinisterly, called Status Park 4.
But the intrusiveness of the system at the heart of Government's so-called 'e-Borders' scheme has provoked such fury among civil liberties campaigners that some consider it akin to a modern-day Stasi headquarters.
All the information passengers give to travel agents, including home addresses, telephone numbers, email addresses, passport details and the names of family members, is shared with an unknown number of Government agencies for 'analysis' and stored for up to ten years.
But even as the 'profiling' system goes live, its reliability is being called into question.
An internal Home Office document obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveals that during testing one 'potential suspect' turned out to be an airline passenger with a spinal injury flying into Britain with his nurse.
'Suspect' requests likely to cause innocent holidaymakers to get 'red flags' as potential terrorists include ordering a vegetarian meal, asking for an over-wing seat and travelling with a foreign-born husband or wife.
The system will also 'red flag' passengers buying a one-way ticket and making a last-minute reservation and those with a history of booking tickets and not showing up for the flights.
A previous history of travel to the Middle East, Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iran will also trigger an alarm, as will those with a record of sponsoring an immigrant from any of these countries.
Starting during the Easter holiday rush, millions of people will be checked by the new National Border Targeting Centre (NBTC).
By the end of the year the NBTC, which is recruiting 250 staff, will have been relocated to another office near Manchester Airport and will be analysing the movements of 120million UK travellers.
Initially it will target airlines but will be expanded to check passengers on ferries and trains, including some journeys within the UK.
At the heart of the system is a highly classified computer algorithm designed to pick out people to be searched, questioned by security staff or barred from flying.
An internal Home Office Border and Immigration Agency document explains how Britain's new system will work.
Written by Tim Rymer, head of the Joint Border Operations Centre, the forerunner to the new NBTC, it explains how it will use 'Passenger Name Record' (PNR) information given when travellers buy a ticket.
The document, written in March last year after a trial examining 30million passengers, reveals: 'PNR is checked against profiles of behavioural patterns which indicate risk activity.



Not welcome: The sign at the entrance to the HQ

'Profiles are run to identify behaviour, not to identify individuals, and are based on evidence and intelligence.'
Mr Rymer revealed that the information secured from the airlines for e-Borders would then also be available to other unnamed Government departments and held for up to ten years.
He wrote: 'E-Borders acts as a single window for carriers to provide data to Government.'
The system is bound to cause concerns about the handling of confidential personal data.
But Mr Rymer reported that he was 'confident our use of PNR data is proportionate and complies with robust data-protection safeguards'.
Intending to show how his team double-checked the computerised suspect reports, Mr Rymer admitted: 'Profiling identified a potential suspect; however further examination of his booking details revealed that the passenger was suffering from a spinal injury and was being escorted by a nurse.
'In this way the PNR information enabled the passenger to be eliminated from the profile match.'
Others flagged up then eliminated as suspects included travellers with comments on their bookings including: 'Please treat passenger with sensitivity - death in the family' or 'Wheelchair requested - broken leg'.
The system was originally designed to identify suspect freight shipments.
Until now international no-fly lists have been based on painstaking intelligence and people's criminal records.
But the Border and Immigration Agency's new 'rule-based targeting' system works by building up a complete picture of passengers' travel history and the detailed information they give to airlines and travel agencies when booking a flight.
It compares these answers and requests to other government databases and also shares the information with other countries around the world. The computer then makes value judgments about whether peculiar decisions and requests fit its secret terrorist or criminal profiles.
In the United States, where the Department of Homeland Security has been running a similar system for several years, people with a poor driving record have been subjected to further checks.
The American system has also been criticised for awarding so-called 'terrorism points' to passengers depending on their level of 'suspicious' travel activity.
The Home Office argues the e-Borders system will 'transform our border control to ensure greater security, effectiveness and efficiency'.
'To do so,' the department says, 'we will make full use of the latest technology to provide a way of collecting and analysing information on everyone who travels to or from the United Kingdom.'
But the UK system, and others across Europe that all share their passenger data, are facing increasing criticism.
The EU's Home Affairs Committee is currently carrying out an inquiry examining whether the use of profiling, particularly when it focuses on particular ethnic groups, is illegal.
In searching for terrorists, and flagging people who have travelled to the Middle East or Pakistan, the system is likely to pick out a high proportion of Muslims.
In its initial report the EU committee says using this data is against EU regulations and the practice is leading to a lack of trust in law enforcement and the fear of discrimination.
It adds that it is 'concerned [the] system providing for the collection of personal data of passengers travelling to the EU could provide a basis for profiling...on the basis of race or ethnicity'.
And the EU report continues: 'Repeated concerns raised by the [European] Parliament in connection with racial, ethnic and behavioural profiling in the context of data protection, law-enforcement co-operation, exchange of data and intelligence, aviation and transport security, immigration and border management and anti-discrimination measures have not so far been adequately addressed.'

Courtesy of the mail on Sunday at http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1163786/Stasi-HQ-UK---details-journeys-secretly-logged-kept-decade.html


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Post by Zac on Mon 23 Mar 2009, 6:39 pm

In the mean time, UK MP's continue to sit there with their fat snouts in the trough, fiddling their housing expenses, and Euro MP's travel in super-luxury class on the gravy-train! Do they really care for the electorate and their civil rights? Not as long as they remain insulated from the real World!

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Post by Dell on Tue 24 Mar 2009, 7:43 pm

eBorders will ruin boating



By Thom Ogier



INTRODUCING the wide-ranging eBorders security system would ruin local boaters’ pastime, says the commodore of the Guernsey Yacht Club.

Gordon Wilson said members were angry about the electronic control system the Home Department has proposed for Guernsey.
‘Every single member I speak to says we should make representation and say it is not a system for the Channel Islands,’ he said.
‘I don’t think it has been properly thought through and yachtsmen have not been given fair consideration.
‘Bin the project - the cost will be ridiculous and it will cause so much anxiety. It’s crazy.’
The main problem would be its inflexibility, he said. Leisure boaters and trawlermen would have to submit details online every time they travelled or face a £5,000 fine.
And submissions would usually be required 24 hours in advance.
‘That’s absolutely ridiculous,’ he said. ‘Cruisers probably have a rough idea of where they are going, a route plan ideally.
‘But the waters around these islands are pretty challenging.’
The sea state could force route changes and he anticipated boaters breaking the law because of the nature of the pastime.
‘Many boats here rely on sail. It can say it will blow a Force 4 but if it only blows a Force 2, your plans change. The object of the exercise is to cruise, in comfort and safety - part of the fun is the freedom.’


Article posted on 17th March, 2009 - 2.30pm



Courtesy of This is Guernsey at http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2009/03/17/eborders-will-ruin-boating/


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Post by Zac on Wed 25 Mar 2009, 9:15 am

Does the States plan to have a State Funeral at Le Foulon for our Civil Rights - or will they just be buried for ever in the small print as usual?

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Post by karma on Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:53 am

To have Civil Rights you need to be a terrorist or a criminal!!! food for thought - but a word of warning, there is not enough room in the Foulon to accomodate the ashes of Guernsey's rights!!!! So guess we will have to be buried at sea!!!!
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Post by Dell on Wed 25 Mar 2009, 8:58 pm

There is limited room in the sea, well off Belle Greve bay anyway, due to the amount of sewage pumped out there!! :sick1:


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Post by karma on Wed 25 Mar 2009, 10:37 pm

We're in the deep 'AckyBoos' now - so Belgreve Bay seems like a good place to end it all Shocked
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