GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
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GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Pete Burtenshaw on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 7:20 am
Well, it's all over now and there are some real thick heads this morning in more ways then one!!!
I had the pleasure of meeting some fantastic fellow candidates in my jurisdiction and those who were elected will do very well indeed if given the opportunity. I just hope those morons who destroyed the House over the past eight years with their petty playground mentality have grown up but I saw some right games being played during the past three weeks and heard about some nasty nasty comments made by those seeking re-election towards some of us newbies.
I truly hope that the electorate has made the correct choices in re-electing certain sitting deputies but time will tell. One does sit back in wonder and ask why more newbies were not elected especially how there was so much discontentment out there. Still that’s politics and it’s a funny old game.
Some will say that this election will go down in history because it was run and won by the GIBBA with complete support from the media, overwhelming support and sanctioned by the currant House. It could be said that we have GIBBA and Zim have Mugabe!!!!
For those who are environmentalist and local be very worried because Gsy PLC is now at the mercy of an industry whose only priority is immigration, money and development. I predict that over the next four years the sky line of St PP will change yet again, population will increase and the divide between rich & poor will increase thereby severely increasing the poverty gap ten fold and God help the Public Sector Service staff and the youth of the island.
The so called political expert on CTV was a joke the whole programme was Finance led. It’s been said that his comments on certain delegates was appalling, it was also alleged he was the worst political expert ever and CTV should be ashamed of its self.
Over the past three weeks we have had despicable comments made by Torode, Roffey and co on how they would sort out Gsy’s woes, the very woes they were the architectures of. Torodes comments towards newbies were typical of his arrogant nature and comments coming from the very people who have no rights in commenting on anything and who should feel totally ashamed of themselves for selling out Gsy.
If anyone passes judgment on those of us who were not successful this time round then remember one thing, ‘we did not fail’. I take pride in achieving a great deal during the last three weeks and having the guts and courage to stand in the first place on an agenda of principles which I believed in and 200+ others also believed in.
Pete Burtenshaw
I had the pleasure of meeting some fantastic fellow candidates in my jurisdiction and those who were elected will do very well indeed if given the opportunity. I just hope those morons who destroyed the House over the past eight years with their petty playground mentality have grown up but I saw some right games being played during the past three weeks and heard about some nasty nasty comments made by those seeking re-election towards some of us newbies.
I truly hope that the electorate has made the correct choices in re-electing certain sitting deputies but time will tell. One does sit back in wonder and ask why more newbies were not elected especially how there was so much discontentment out there. Still that’s politics and it’s a funny old game.
Some will say that this election will go down in history because it was run and won by the GIBBA with complete support from the media, overwhelming support and sanctioned by the currant House. It could be said that we have GIBBA and Zim have Mugabe!!!!
For those who are environmentalist and local be very worried because Gsy PLC is now at the mercy of an industry whose only priority is immigration, money and development. I predict that over the next four years the sky line of St PP will change yet again, population will increase and the divide between rich & poor will increase thereby severely increasing the poverty gap ten fold and God help the Public Sector Service staff and the youth of the island.
The so called political expert on CTV was a joke the whole programme was Finance led. It’s been said that his comments on certain delegates was appalling, it was also alleged he was the worst political expert ever and CTV should be ashamed of its self.
Over the past three weeks we have had despicable comments made by Torode, Roffey and co on how they would sort out Gsy’s woes, the very woes they were the architectures of. Torodes comments towards newbies were typical of his arrogant nature and comments coming from the very people who have no rights in commenting on anything and who should feel totally ashamed of themselves for selling out Gsy.
If anyone passes judgment on those of us who were not successful this time round then remember one thing, ‘we did not fail’. I take pride in achieving a great deal during the last three weeks and having the guts and courage to stand in the first place on an agenda of principles which I believed in and 200+ others also believed in.
Pete Burtenshaw
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Thistle on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 5:09 pm
hi pete ,you would have mad one hell of a deputy mate.just sorry you didn't make it.like you i am now worried about what is going to happen to the island.as you say the divide between the rich and the poorer is going to get bigger.we have more and more immigrants coming into the island and earning what they can to send home.then claiming back tax before leaving the island .we are heading for a recession in the not too distant future .i just hope that the new chief minister is someone who cares for the people of this island and not just the finance industry .
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Digger on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 5:35 pm
If we were to have Island wide voting you would have got in Pete without a doubt , i to am surprised who got in from the old lot and am of the opinion that i might be the biggest mistake the electorate have made but it is democracy . We need people in the house who are not swayed to the FI . As for population they must hold a cap on it at 200 pa and no more if this is not done we will be in big trouble over now and in the future .
As for the attitude of some of the old lot it was to be expected as they might have a fight on their hands in the coming four years (hopefully) I listened to Ding Dong and Torode on the phone in on Sunday and could not believe what i was hearing are these people on the same planet as us. As for Torode saying that everyone in guernsey is very lucky to have a great lifestyle he obviously does not mix in the circles of people living hand to mouth day to day .
I am not sure of the exact wording but something along the lines of "i have read some of the manifestos of the new comers and it worries me as to their lack of knowledge" , what a remark ! these people are so out of touch with reality its worrying To the extent of being scary. That's its for now but i have a lot more to moan about.
As for the attitude of some of the old lot it was to be expected as they might have a fight on their hands in the coming four years (hopefully) I listened to Ding Dong and Torode on the phone in on Sunday and could not believe what i was hearing are these people on the same planet as us. As for Torode saying that everyone in guernsey is very lucky to have a great lifestyle he obviously does not mix in the circles of people living hand to mouth day to day .
I am not sure of the exact wording but something along the lines of "i have read some of the manifestos of the new comers and it worries me as to their lack of knowledge" , what a remark ! these people are so out of touch with reality its worrying To the extent of being scary. That's its for now but i have a lot more to moan about.
The most successful people are those who are good at plan B. 
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Pete Burtenshaw on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 6:49 pm
Cheers Digger & thistle,
I know we had some of the newbies elected and good show but, excluding me, there were other newbies who put so much effort, time, commitment, hours of research, pounding the streets and money into their campaign and who got know where. What makes it worse it’s alleged that one newly elected ex Deputy did no canvassing what so ever and she got elected. How demoralizing is that and then we had Friar Brehaut preaching that success is determined by knocking on doors………like he was the only one……….surely his theory is cancelled out by the new Deputy who did nothing!!!!!!!!!! Strange old world!!!!
It is also alleged that all of the media have been in the pocket of GIBBA all through the election. I suppose if one looks at the exposure of the newbies compared with the air time given to GIBBA by radio and TV promoting their propaganda and the same crap in the Guernsey (GIBBA) Press one could easily be swayed by this argument.
There is resentment out there that our glorious media allowed disgraced ex Ministers to spew their verbal diarrhea, slating most of the newbies and carrying the financial torch for GIBBA during this election. Someone saw Roffey ‘strutting his stuff’ around Beau Sejour last evening like he was some one important. I have been informed that he's let down our Mental Health service, its staff, users and their families so he could get the clinical block named after him but I have heard that it may be christened ‘ The Stuart Falla Clinical Block’ but this is only rumour!!!!
Finally, PLEASE PLEASE support the Public Sector Workers in achieving a 4.9% pay rise, a pay rise they deserve. So come on do the right thing when you see a road sweeper, sewage cart driver, refuge workers, hospital porter and thousands of their fellow workers and just tell them what a good job they are doing and how valuable they are.
Pete Burtenshaw
I know we had some of the newbies elected and good show but, excluding me, there were other newbies who put so much effort, time, commitment, hours of research, pounding the streets and money into their campaign and who got know where. What makes it worse it’s alleged that one newly elected ex Deputy did no canvassing what so ever and she got elected. How demoralizing is that and then we had Friar Brehaut preaching that success is determined by knocking on doors………like he was the only one……….surely his theory is cancelled out by the new Deputy who did nothing!!!!!!!!!! Strange old world!!!!
It is also alleged that all of the media have been in the pocket of GIBBA all through the election. I suppose if one looks at the exposure of the newbies compared with the air time given to GIBBA by radio and TV promoting their propaganda and the same crap in the Guernsey (GIBBA) Press one could easily be swayed by this argument.
There is resentment out there that our glorious media allowed disgraced ex Ministers to spew their verbal diarrhea, slating most of the newbies and carrying the financial torch for GIBBA during this election. Someone saw Roffey ‘strutting his stuff’ around Beau Sejour last evening like he was some one important. I have been informed that he's let down our Mental Health service, its staff, users and their families so he could get the clinical block named after him but I have heard that it may be christened ‘ The Stuart Falla Clinical Block’ but this is only rumour!!!!
Finally, PLEASE PLEASE support the Public Sector Workers in achieving a 4.9% pay rise, a pay rise they deserve. So come on do the right thing when you see a road sweeper, sewage cart driver, refuge workers, hospital porter and thousands of their fellow workers and just tell them what a good job they are doing and how valuable they are.
Pete Burtenshaw
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by kat on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 7:10 pm
They sure do a grand job
How many time have you gone into town in the moring and sen it spotless.?
They work odd hours for little money.give then a decent living wage as with out these unsung workers the island would be a bloody mess
Sorry you did not get in Peter ,better luck next time
I saw you outside the polling station last evening [just before 5]
I thought you might have got into the house ..but unfortunatly it was not to be..keep at it .and learn along the way!
How many time have you gone into town in the moring and sen it spotless.?
They work odd hours for little money.give then a decent living wage as with out these unsung workers the island would be a bloody mess
Sorry you did not get in Peter ,better luck next time
I saw you outside the polling station last evening [just before 5]
I thought you might have got into the house ..but unfortunatly it was not to be..keep at it .and learn along the way!
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Digger on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 7:24 pm
Quote Pete :
"Finally, PLEASE PLEASE support
the Public Sector Workers in achieving a 4.9% pay rise, a pay rise they
deserve. So come on do the right thing when you see a road sweeper,
sewage cart driver, refuge workers, hospital porter and thousands of
their fellow workers and just tell them what a good job they are doing
and how valuable they are."
I would support the Public sector workers 100% they do a job not many would want to, for little pay . That has always been the way the less attractive the job the worse the pay . Perhaps they should strike for a few days and see what is not done ie roads in town three foot deep in litter , toilet blocks not cleaned , gardens overgrown ,patients having to make their own way to theatre the list goes on and on. When some get away with sitting behind a desk pretending to look busy or others walking around pointing.
"Finally, PLEASE PLEASE support
the Public Sector Workers in achieving a 4.9% pay rise, a pay rise they
deserve. So come on do the right thing when you see a road sweeper,
sewage cart driver, refuge workers, hospital porter and thousands of
their fellow workers and just tell them what a good job they are doing
and how valuable they are."
I would support the Public sector workers 100% they do a job not many would want to, for little pay . That has always been the way the less attractive the job the worse the pay . Perhaps they should strike for a few days and see what is not done ie roads in town three foot deep in litter , toilet blocks not cleaned , gardens overgrown ,patients having to make their own way to theatre the list goes on and on. When some get away with sitting behind a desk pretending to look busy or others walking around pointing.
The most successful people are those who are good at plan B.
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Pete Burtenshaw on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 8:59 pm
kat wrote:They sure do a grand job
How many time have you gone into town in the moring and sen it spotless.?
They work odd hours for little money.give then a decent living wage as with out these unsung workers the island would be a bloody mess
Sorry you did not get in Peter ,better luck next time
I saw you outside the polling station last evening [just before 5]
I thought you might have got into the house ..but unfortunatly it was not to be..keep at it .and learn along the way!
Kat, my sources alleged the election was stolen by GIBA/GAT and its brown envelope brigade. They allege the following:-
1. GIBA/GAT ordered their members not to vote for any one who opposed Z10 or who wanted Z10 tweaked.
2. GIBA/GAT ordered their members that if any candidate canvassed on their door step then only talk about the economy.
3. GIBA/GAT ordered their members only vote for candidates who support Z10.
4. On the 11th March at the GIBA Councils/PR sub-committee meeting association reps agreed to ‘encourage’ their members to participate in telephoning (swamping) calls between 9 to 9:30 on the 16th March 08 regarding the benefits of Z10 and to stop any anti Z10 calls which may arise during the phone in on BBC Radio Guernsey where L Trott was participating. ‘One must stop short of being seen to openly support L.Trott’ but ‘not hesitate in supporting the Guernsey Business Plan and UK budget’.
It is further alleged by my sources that by GIBA ordering their 7,700+ to carry out the above orders (with GATs full support) they altered the outcome of the election and thereby dictated States policy both economically and socially over the next 4 years and beyond. They have also tightened their grip on the island as a whole. My sources tell me that there were so many champaigne corks popping last eveining and today in homes, offices and resturants by GGBA/GAT and others supporting their election victory that the bill went into thousands of ££££'s........
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by kat on Thu 24 Apr 2008, 9:53 pm
Can you please enlighten us with the name of these letters you speak about GGBA GAT,,i have been involed in the election for many years now ...and only saw honest hard working folks voting yesterday....
And yes the bar was open last night[for some] and there was corks flying around ..have you won i am sure you would have joined in with them!
And yes the bar was open last night[for some] and there was corks flying around ..have you won i am sure you would have joined in with them!
Election 08
by Pete Burtenshaw on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 7:05 am
Kat, being involved with elections for so many years how on earth have you not picked up on the massive influence of GIBA & GAT. No disrespect here but you must walk around with your eyes shut or not pick up the GIBA Press.
The definitions are as follow and these definitions should be entrenched on all of those involved in main or local government because of the massive influence they have on all aspects of our society - GIBA-Guernsey International Business Association. & GAT - Guernsey Association of Trustees.
You also miss the message within the thread which my sources are telling me that the outcome of this election was not just down to the good old Gsy voters but via massive, massive influence on all GIBA/GAT/GIFA members to vote for only those who supported Z10.
You must question how on earth did some of those dead head Deputies who can not run a tap get back in, be cause, they pose no real intellectual threat to our glorious finance industries which have been reinvigorated march onto decimating our island. Tell me why the following issues were raised on the doorstep and not the Husting or did not determine the end results:-
1. Z10
2. Housing
3. Immigration/population
4. Care for the elderly
5. Environment
6. Sewage
7. House hold waste
8. Paid Parking
9. Lousy last House
10. Small local businesses
Allegedly, Gsy is in the mess it is in because we have certain people in power at both local and government level that have no clue what day of the week it is and also those who benefit from supporting the finance industry in one or the other.
The definitions are as follow and these definitions should be entrenched on all of those involved in main or local government because of the massive influence they have on all aspects of our society - GIBA-Guernsey International Business Association. & GAT - Guernsey Association of Trustees.
You also miss the message within the thread which my sources are telling me that the outcome of this election was not just down to the good old Gsy voters but via massive, massive influence on all GIBA/GAT/GIFA members to vote for only those who supported Z10.
You must question how on earth did some of those dead head Deputies who can not run a tap get back in, be cause, they pose no real intellectual threat to our glorious finance industries which have been reinvigorated march onto decimating our island. Tell me why the following issues were raised on the doorstep and not the Husting or did not determine the end results:-
1. Z10
2. Housing
3. Immigration/population
4. Care for the elderly
5. Environment
6. Sewage
7. House hold waste
8. Paid Parking
9. Lousy last House
10. Small local businesses
Allegedly, Gsy is in the mess it is in because we have certain people in power at both local and government level that have no clue what day of the week it is and also those who benefit from supporting the finance industry in one or the other.
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by kat on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 10:26 am
You forgot the mafia!
sour grapes
If you had got in would you have still be shouting this
Some folks make me mad
They say i cannot be bothered to vote...yet moan like hell when those who do vote ,vote those in they dont like
And no i have not been walking around with my eyes closed
I have been looking very carefully
MosT do not understand the z1o including most of those elected
sour grapes
If you had got in would you have still be shouting this
Some folks make me mad
They say i cannot be bothered to vote...yet moan like hell when those who do vote ,vote those in they dont like
And no i have not been walking around with my eyes closed
I have been looking very carefully
MosT do not understand the z1o including most of those elected
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by kat on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 10:36 am
And of course those who work within this industry will vote them in ..this is them who pays there wage and gives them enopugh money to buy their homes
they would not bite the hand that feeds them
There are some folks in guernsey who dont need to be pushed into who to vote for they understand who is whpo and how they will get the best deal
As for those things not asked there was a few asked at the husting i went to !
But not reported in the press
Every one have a right to ask question and i think most who put their hand up had a fair shot at it
they would not bite the hand that feeds them
There are some folks in guernsey who dont need to be pushed into who to vote for they understand who is whpo and how they will get the best deal
As for those things not asked there was a few asked at the husting i went to !
But not reported in the press
Every one have a right to ask question and i think most who put their hand up had a fair shot at it
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Pete Burtenshaw on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 1:09 pm
I can assure you it is not A CASE OF 'SOUR GRAPES' or any other moan from me so grow up please. Your comments could raise your lack of forsight and lack the ability in grasping the nettle so to speak.
With this in mind it could be alleged that:-
You DO walk around with your eyes shut.
YOU DO NOT represent any member of our community and
YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT understand any aspect of the political system or how it works.
My sources have been out on the streets and people have said how angry they were that the election was such a fix and how Torode/Roffey, the press, radio & co intimidated the voters all through the campaign with the support of GIBA/GAT/GIFA. It could be argued that you do not have a clue about local politics or another politics.
My sources say that you get out there and met the people find out what impacts on them and by taking this action it will normall address one's blinkered mentality.
It may also stop any problem you may have in sitting in judgement of others and not ascertaining the facts before you comment.
With this in mind it could be alleged that:-
You DO walk around with your eyes shut.
YOU DO NOT represent any member of our community and
YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO NOT understand any aspect of the political system or how it works.
My sources have been out on the streets and people have said how angry they were that the election was such a fix and how Torode/Roffey, the press, radio & co intimidated the voters all through the campaign with the support of GIBA/GAT/GIFA. It could be argued that you do not have a clue about local politics or another politics.
My sources say that you get out there and met the people find out what impacts on them and by taking this action it will normall address one's blinkered mentality.
It may also stop any problem you may have in sitting in judgement of others and not ascertaining the facts before you comment.
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by kat on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 1:23 pm
If the cap fits wear it....you seem to have a habit of slaging me off..
I love this island as much as you.and only want what is best.for all
There are many who i thought might have got into this government .you included .but it did not happen
Do you blame these folks for you not getting elected?
I love this island as much as you.and only want what is best.for all
There are many who i thought might have got into this government .you included .but it did not happen
Do you blame these folks for you not getting elected?
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by GD on Fri 25 Apr 2008, 8:42 pm
Pete Burtenshaw wrote:
You also miss the message within the thread which my sources are telling me that the outcome of this election was not just down to the good old Gsy voters but via massive, massive influence on all GIBA/GAT/GIFA members to vote for only those who supported Z10.
You must question how on earth did some of those dead head Deputies who can not run a tap get back in, be cause, they pose no real intellectual threat to our glorious finance industries which have been reinvigorated march onto decimating our island.
Allegedly, Gsy is in the mess it is in because we have certain people in power at both local and government level that have no clue what day of the week it is and also those who benefit from supporting the finance industry in one or the other.
Do you realy think that the election was so much influenced by such group's it seems a little far fetched to me but I am only a simple layman,,,
The One and Only....
Re: GIBA/GAT Election Fix?
by Barney Gumble on Sat 26 Apr 2008, 8:40 am
and i am a simple drayman! lol
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