Incinerator latest - £4.4m consultancy costs

Its another ugly expensive blot on Jersey, Our States have no idea or never will about recycling

How and why did we pass, and spend, so much on an oversized, outdated form of waste disposal??
It beggars belief that in this day and age we go for something outdated and oversized. And I bet the exact same incinerator would have been sold for less money to a less well off district. Jersey's been led down the garden path and hoodwinked again.

[quote=\"matt74\"]How and why did we pass, and spend, so much on an oversized, outdated form of waste disposal??
It beggars belief that in this day and age we go for something outdated and oversized. And I bet the exact same incinerator would have been sold for less money to a less well off district. Jersey\'s been led down the garden path and hoodwinked again.[/quote]

Because our dear states members have money to waste... our money..

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Jersey does a deal with Guernsey saying "hey, we'll solve all your rubbish problems, for an agreed charge."
This is probably why the whole thing has been passed.

Ramsar man joins incinerator attack









THE £106 million incinerator was railroaded through and not enough consideration has been given to the effects it might have on the Ramsar site, says an Island environmentalist.
Unsuccessful Senatorial candidate and Ramsar steering committee member Chris Perkins has said that some politicians have been thoughtless and insensitive about the potential environmental impact an incinerator would have on the protected south-east coast.
His comments follow Save Our Shoreline spokesman Dave Cabeldu’s report into the Babtie Fitchner incinerator planned for La Collette. Mr Cabeldu, who is also on the steering group that fought to get the area from the Harbour to Gorey protected, claims that the States have breached the Ramsar Convention because they did not tell the organisation of their plans to build an incinerator next to the site.
He said that Jersey was also currently featuring on the website page of Wetlands International, a member of the Ramsar Convention, as ‘this month’s threatened wetland’ because of the incinerator.
Mr Perkins said: ‘I have seen Save Our Shoreline’s excellent report on the incinerator and its possible effects on our Ramsar site. It is if nothing else rather embarrassing for Jersey.’
Pictured: La Collette with an impression of the new incinerator to the right of the tower(from thisisjersey)

THE falling euro rate could add millions to the cost of the Island’s new incinerator because the contract rate has not been fixed.
The original £104 million deal for the new incinerator at La Collette included 75 million euros for European contractors. But the declining sterling/euro rate means that the cost could rise by millions – and the head of the States’ spending watchdog has estimated the damage at around £10 million.
It does not necessarily mean that the final bill to the taxpayer will increase, because the payments are staggered over three years, and what matters is the rate at the time when the payments are made. States Treasurer Ian Black said that the expert advice obtained by his department was to wait for the rate to improve, rather than fixing it when the contracts were signed in mid-November.
However, Public Accounts Committee chairman Ben Shenton – an investment manager – said that Islanders were probably looking at an additional £10 million bill based on the drop in the sterling/euro rate since the contracts were signed (from thisisjersey)

But lets face its very rare a states project comes within budget,,

MINISTERS will face a barrage of hostile questions in the States tomorrow as concerns deepen over the cost, size and environmental impact of the proposed incinerator at La Collette.
The charge will be led by new Deputies Daniel Wimberley and Mike Higgins. They have today released a picture which they argue shows the size of the energy-from-waste plant and how it will affect the St Helier skyline.
‘The world is changing, people’s expectations are changing, ways of doing things are changing,’ said Deputy Wimberley. ‘We are fearful that the incinerator is over-sized, it is out of step with public opinion and it is a waste of public money.’
Deputy Higgins said: ‘It is more than likely that the plant will have a serious cost overrun. The failure to hedge the contract against adverse currency movements could easily cost the Island an additional £10 million. I want to know what financial advice was given, who gave it and whether it was followed.’
• A picture of the proposed energy-from-waste plant, released by backbenchers led by Deputies Daniel Wimberley and Mike Higgins showing, what they argue, is its true impact on the St Helier skyline

I think it looks well matching in with all the other crap building that has been allowed on the coastal seafront

Jersey doesn't need a new incinerator and the plans States members have already accepted need rethinking.

That's the view of a group of politicians who are calling for the plans to be scrapped.

One of Guy de Faye's last acts as Transport and Technical Services Minister was signing the contract for a new waste incinerator to replace the existing facility at Bellozanne back in November.

The deal was worth more than a £100 million and will see the new incinerator come on line in 2011.

The new incinerator will burn people's money as well as their rubbish, according to a collection of States members calling themselves, a bit misleadingly, the Incinerator Gang.

They asked Ministers a series of questions about the La Collette plan but weren't convinced by the answers.

Daniel Wimberley, told channelonline.tv; "I think they believe in magic boxes and one size fits all, one great big box will solve the island's problems"

The problem the Incinerator Gang faces is that however expensive - and unpopular in some quarters - they may be, these plans have already been signed off.

But even despite that, the group feels there's enough wrong with the proposals to merit keeping the debate open just a bit longer.

The Transport Minister doesn't share their view. And he stands by Guy de Faye's belief the new incinerator is just what Jersey needs.

Mike Jackson, Transport & Technical Services Minister, told channelonline.tv; "I have got enormous amounts of information and I've been reading up over the past month or so, in depth details of the contract and I'm perfectly satisfied they're in order and they're going to provide value for the public."

The Incinerator Gang is considerably less satisfied.

Deputy Wimberley says the group may bring a proposition opposing the plans.

It's thought the cost of cancelling the La Collette contract could be as much as £50 million.

The deal may be signed and sealed, but Jersey may also be some way from seeing it delivered (from thisisjersey)

Are they right?

I shouldn't think Guernsey is very far behind......we will never know the true amount 'wasted'......

Guernsey beware, this is the report by the public scrutiny panel from Jersey. How tight are your controls before embarking on a £90 million project. Hopefully better than Jersey.

The public accounts panel have this morning published their report. You can read it yourself here ( from a while ago )

http://www.scrutiny.gov.je/view_doc.asp?doc=documents/reports/S-31053-37785-
1082009.pdf&panelid=0&reviewid=0&target=reports

Neither the Treasurer of the States, nor the Chief Minister, comes out of it well.

BB.